Okay I'm in love, this plastic is the nutts. I got an flx surge thinking it would automatically flip over since it is flx, no dice its like a frikin firebird. Is it just me or is the flx plastic more stable than the esp? The flx Buzzz is also crazy stable. Just got a flx Drone le ,nice windy mid. Discraft has managed to make a grippy, floppy, durable plastic STABLE, this is definetly a first in innovation in discs.