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martin
09-06-2011, 12:43 PM
this past week I played the Maple Hill Gold Course - shooting course par was considered to be 1010 rated - It got me thinking one could compare courses in there difficulty based on par vs. 1000 rated golf

so I started to check it out - I have listed a number of courses and what there par is considered to be, compare that to what it takes to shoot 1000 rated

I have the courses listed in order to difficulty based on the rating for shooting the established course par

weeman
09-06-2011, 12:45 PM
Did you just put down a bunch of phone numbers for each of the courses?

martin
09-06-2011, 12:46 PM
trying to figure out how to put an excel page on the board - not working yet

martin
09-06-2011, 12:48 PM
Course
Course Par/1000 rated/Par Rating

Maple Hill (gold) (Leicester, MA)
60/61/1010
Idlewild (longs) (Burlington, KY)
69/68/1001


Phil Moore (Bowling Green, KY)
59/54/973
Fountain Hills (Phoenix, AZ)
55/52/971
Holler in the Hills (Bowling Green, KY)
55/52/968
Old English (English, IN)
74/68/965
Seven Oaks (Nashville, TN)
54/50/965
Seviren Lang (Georgetown, IN)
60/55/960
Charlie Vettiner (Louisville, KY)
58/53/960
Mt. Airy (Cincinnati, OH)
59/54/959
Mesker (Evansville, IN)
54/49/951
Veterens (Lexington, KY)
55/50/950
Patoka Lake (Patoka, KY)
56/50/950
Lebanon (Lebanon, KY)
55/49/950

BG Tech (Bowling Green ,KY)
62/55/946
Riney B (Lexington, KY)
63/56/946
Keriakes (Bowling Green, KY)
55/49/944
Ironworks (Winchester, KY)
55/49/943
Henderson (Henderson, KY)
54/48/938
Iroquois (Louisville, KY)
54/48/938
Banklick (Lincoln Ridge)
72/63/930
Hobson Grove (Bowling Green, KY)
55/48/928

White Park (Bowling Green, KY)
60/51/920
Riney B (24 hole - Lexington, KY)
81/69/913
Meade-Olin (Brandenburg, KY)
54/46/904

Muldraugh (Muldraugh, KY)
54/46/899
Shillito (Lexington, KY)
54/45/891
Radcliff (Radcliff, KY)
54/45/885

USI (Evansville, IN)
54/43/846

Lovers Lane (Bowling Green, KY)
54/??/???
Cedar Hill (Nashville, TN)
??/56/???
Otter Creek (Muldraugh, KY)
Buffalo Trace (Palmyra, IN)
Fun Farm (Lanesville, IN)
Yellow Creek (Owensboro, KY)
Panther Creek (Owensboro, KY)
Franklin (Franklin, KY)
Basil Griffin (Bowling Green, KY)
Preston Miller (Bowling Green, KY)
Frankfort (Frankfort, KY)

martin
09-06-2011, 01:06 PM
So if anyone knows other courses to add to this - list the course, the par, the 1000rated par, and what the course par rating would be

weeman
09-06-2011, 01:09 PM
In the SOKY, course par for White was 60. Also, I've never seen a tournament at Mt. Airy where they didn't use par as 54. In this year's BG Ams round 2 for Advanced was at Tech and round 3 was Phil Moore. Also, Phil Moore is getting 6 holes changed so its going to alter the round ratings.

martin
09-06-2011, 01:14 PM
true - courses are always changing and courses use a variety of different methods in determing par -

i made a few guesses -

I think it is interesting in the difference between the said par the actual difficulty in achieving said par from course to course

weeman
09-06-2011, 01:15 PM
Tech 62/55/946
Moore 58 or 59/54/968 or 977

Adam
09-06-2011, 02:58 PM
Old English
74/68/965

Par is according to DGCR (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=2741&mode=hi) and is according to the Black tee layout used at Patoka (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/16088) last year.

MarcusGresham
09-06-2011, 03:23 PM
I didn't see E-town listed there.

TommyB
09-06-2011, 09:52 PM
Awesome! Thanks

jobwilson82
09-06-2011, 10:18 PM
I know Henderson and USI both have course pars, but we (locals) play them as Pro Par. USI is something outrageous, like 64. Atkinson is something like 58. Don't know if you want to take that into consideration or not.

martin
09-07-2011, 10:12 AM
good point job - I think we should stick with the "am/pro" par that most players recognize - the guys and girls who use the signage par like USI's par 64 - i really dont think they are all to concerned with course ratings as they approach 1000

Players have asked on previous threads about "PAR" - i dont really have a good answer - par varies - some courses have more difficult pars then others - this is one thing this list indicates fairly well

I feel so far as this list falls together - that the courses that are clumped together tend to share a certain degree of difficulty in shooting "par"

Terry Glass
09-07-2011, 07:06 PM
I think Buffalo might be 46/48 for 1000 rated round.

Adam
09-07-2011, 07:14 PM
Has there been a PDGA sanctioned tournament at Buffalo that didn't have added holes?

jobwilson82
09-08-2011, 09:08 AM
I have a question. I believe we all agree that in disc golf, scratch and par are not always the same thing.

If scratch is a 1000 rated round, then what rating should go to par? Is that subjective based on the course?

Basically, can we use these figures to determine that some course par is skewed. I'll give you a local example.

Hole 13 at Mesker is listed as a Par 3. I'm sure guys like Martin, Scott, Adam, etc, it is a Par 3. But those guys aren't the average disc golfer. I'm generally thrilled when I get a 3 on that hole. That being said, I am very disappointed when I pull a 5. But a 4 is perfectly acceptable.

That's the only hole on the course where I feel that way. So in my mind, Mesker should be Par 55. Is there a trend within the ratings that can lean towards proving that? (That being said, I have no intentions of making changes to the par at Mesker. This is more for entertainment purposes.)

MarcusGresham
03-27-2012, 06:55 PM
Any idea how much this info for Seviren will change with the new additions?

Adam
03-27-2012, 06:59 PM
At the Seviren Lang Memorial last year shooting a 55 was 997 rated. I'm guessing the changes will make a 56/57 a 1000 rated round.

Par will still be 61.

Atvizory2000
03-31-2012, 11:55 PM
Anyone have any idea what Freeman lake, Otter Creek, and Buffalo Trace might be?

martin
04-01-2012, 12:56 PM
Freeman, not sure especially with the pin changes- maybe 50-51?, Otter at least 45-46, and Buffalo Trace 50-51?

the par list i built before was based on actual tourney results, so these are just guesses - but prob not to far off

lexingtonbdga
05-13-2012, 04:00 PM
Riney B 24 hole layout
81?/69/913

Riney B 18 hole layout for the Lexington Open 14
63/56/946

Veterans Park
55/50/950

lexingtonbdga
05-13-2012, 04:09 PM
Indian Mound DGC Mt Sterling Kentucky
58/58(Wind Bowl SSA) With 30mph+ winds
Otherwise I would put it @54